Embracing Change: Hot Tips from Young Leaders

 

The new leaders: how they think and why they’re totally suited to these times

 

By Nicola Heath

 

Change. It’s the greatest challenge young leaders face today.

“In one year, the amount of change we are exposed to is probably equivalent to 10 to 20 years of our parents’ generation,” says Luke Higgins, a Managing Director and Technical Architect at global professional services company Accenture.

In the past, change was optional. Organisations could maintain the status quo and remain successful, says Higgins. “Now we don’t have a choice. We have to change one way or another, to survive. You can see that with the Fortune 100 companies, every 10 years, you look at them and many drop out because they haven’t changed.”

As technology and methodology constantly evolves, the trick is identifying the right one to adopt. Which change will drive enough value to justify the investment? “That’s always the hard part,” says Higgins. “You need to be sure the change is worth the effort.”

Disruption is part of the architecture at Accenture, where Higgins runs two strategies in parallel. The first is an emerging strategy that tests new ideas and technologies. If successful, they are then incorporated into a deliberate strategy, where assets are scaled, refined and eventually rolled out.

AIM Emerging Leader board member Bec Hovey is Associate Director of Online Marketing at University of Southern Queensland. Change is so important to her team, it has its own catchphrase: ‘positive reframing’.

“It’s part of our team DNA,” she says. If something goes wrong – a ‘curveball’ in the team’s parlance – the first questions are, “‘How can we reframe this? How can we bring back the positivity to this situation, and what can we do, and what can we control at the end of the day?’”

Bec Hovey . . . mastering the art of dealing with ‘curveballs’

In this environment, the ability to adapt is fundamental. Success lies in being “resilient enough to be continuously improving and continuously adjusting what that end goal might be,” she says.

Jess Ferguson AIMM, Manager at EmploysurePLUS Services, agrees. The challenge, she says, lies in “building enough agility to flourish in a disruptive time.”

“My team works in a constant space of learning and adapting. This is particularly necessary when you’re working in the business of disruption,” Ferguson says. “We don’t take things for granted or get complacent. We know that things could change and evolve at any point and we embrace the growth that comes with that, and support each other in whatever way we can.”

Many of us are resistant to change – not so Ferguson. “I don’t like being stagnant. I’m a total optimist and believe I can make the best of anything that comes my way,” she says. “Being agile and flexible and open to the shifting direction that we move in is something that I’m very comfortable with it. Actually, I really enjoy it.”

In an age of volatility, Higgins believes an effective leader needs clear direction. That means evolving and adapting to new technologies at a micro level, but, Higgins says, “you have that over-arching macro view that is always consistent.” As a leader, you need to be open to finding new ways to achieve the end goal.

 

‘We are more adaptive to technological change’ – Bec Hovey

 

Viewing change as an opportunity, not a threat, is what sets young leaders apart from older generations, suggests Hovey. “We are more adaptive to technological change.”

Hovey introduced Facebook Workplace to her team in 2016 as way to improve inter-campus communication. Using the tool – particularly video chat – has improved collaboration and transparency between the Brisbane and Toowoomba offices.

Ferguson, who also uses Facebook Workplace at Employsure, says the tool has been crucial in helping leadership communicate vision and other important insights to teams. “It’s been a huge connection tool for the entire business.”

Jess Ferguson . . . constantly learning and adapting is the key.

Technology permeates everything Higgins does at Accenture too. “Every decision I make is data driven,” he says. He is also always asking how technology can improve the way his team operates. “How do we introduce automation, AI, robotics to do our job in a better way so we don’t have to use manual labour to do that work anymore? That’s where we leverage technology a lot.”

At Thankyou, a Melbourne-based social enterprise, team members use task management tool Asana and video-conferencing service Zoom, which Managing Director Daniel Flynn (pictured at top) says has proven useful in connecting teams on the road. “We’re setting up to launch in New Zealand so we have teams that live in different countries. It helps us connect and keep moving at a fast pace.”

It’s important to continue to evolve, be open to new ideas and new technology, says Flynn. “We try and fail until we find a good fit.”

 

‘It’s not about me, it’s about us’  – Daniel Flynn

 

If today’s leaders want to solve the world’s problems – poverty and climate change among them – Flynn believes focus needs to switch from the self to the collective. Where we look inward, we must look outward, he says. “We need leaders who are focused on things greater than themselves and not just career progression.”

In this quarter, social enterprises like Thankyou are leading the way. Its mission is simple: to empower people to help end poverty. Thankyou’s leadership team tries to embody the organisation’s ‘we, not I’ ethos. “It’s not about me, it’s about us and how we can create change outside of our scope,” says Flynn.

“If I see people who are just trying to build their careers, step on people to get ahead, to be honest they don’t last long at Thankyou. It’s just not the culture we’ve created.”

 

Building resilience and confidence

When Vicky came back to her Victorian State Government position after maternity leave, it was tough. Getting back in there and leading her team again required renewed confidence in her abilities and a strong mental attitude.

Marion King FIML

Vicky was matched with Marion King FIML, from Conocer Consulting, specialising in Workforce Planning and HR Consulting. This turned out to be a very successful team relationship, where the opportunity to really get to what mattered and turn around perceptions worked exceptionally well.

 

Why did you join IML’s mentoring program?

Vicky: As part of an organisational leadership program, I identified mentoring would be beneficial. It seemed like a better long- term option to look externally and focus on less technical skills and more widely at management skills.

Marion: I think it’s a very valuable opportunity for me to use my experience as a leader to guide others. It’s great that IML offers this service, as it’s not always possible to find the right match within an organisation.

 

What did you get out of the experience?

Vicky: After a year of maternity leave, my confidence was low and my self-doubt was high. It was great that I had the opportunity to take time to explore different areas I felt I was weak in. It made me feel more confident about my skills and abilities. I also gained a better understanding of what I want from my career, time to reflect on my skills and work on my weaknesses. This isn’t something I have time for generally, so it felt like a luxury.

Marion: It was very rewarding. Vicky and I had great rapport from the very beginning, it was a very good match. She was very open about what she wanted from the program, where she was to begin with and where she wanted to go.

 

What did you learn from each other?

Vicky: Don’t be afraid to take risks. Consider what are the consequences of something not going to plan and weigh up whether it is worth taking the risk.

Marion: Work life can be pretty tough and is rarely predictable.  Vicky is very emotionally intelligent and uses these skills to be a very aware manager and understand what her staff are going through. I also learnt about some issues that are facing the public sector generally.

 

Would you recommend the mentoring program to others?

Vicky: Yes, it’s a great opportunity for self-reflection, which is something you don’t generally have time to do. Do it with an open mind and don’t be afraid to openly and honestly tackle issues that may be holding you back.

Marion: Absolutely. It’s a rare opportunity to really discuss openly where you are in your work, (and personal) life and to get some practical advice on how to build a pathway to success.

The Price of Prejudice

It pays to be prepared if sexual harassment rears its ugly head in your workplace

 

By Elizabeth Ticehurst

 

The term ‘sexual harassment’ has a ring of the 1980s about it. It evokes images of the bad old days of shoulder pads and big hair, when women were treated as workplace ornaments and expected to conveniently resign when they married or fell pregnant.

Three decades since the introduction of the national Sex Discrimination Act (SDA) in 1984, it may be disheartening to realise that sexual harassment still casts a long shadow on Australian workplaces. Yet community and judicial attitudes appear to be changing, requiring greater accountability from organisations and perpetrators.

The 2014 case of Richardson v Oracle Corporation Australia Pty Ltd and Tucker is often cited as marking a turning point in how seriously courts view sexual harassment and its effects on the victim. The complainant was initially awarded only $18,000 for general damages, consistent with a long history of the courts awarding rather small sums for sexual harassment.

However, on appeal this award was considered “manifestly inadequate”. The appeal court took into account general standards in the community and the awards of damages in cases of workplace bullying, and increased the damages to $130,000.

Large awards of damages such as this do more to hurt the employer than the perpetrator however, thanks to a provision in the SDA (and similar provisions in the equivalent state acts) that holds an employer liable for acts done by an employee “in connection with the employment of the employee”, unless the employer has taken all reasonable steps to prevent the acts. The phrase “in connection with employment” has been so widely interpreted that it can extend to an employee’s actions outside working hours, and even outside of the workplace.

In a recent Queensland case, for example, a tribunal ordered damages of more than $300,000 to be paid to a hotel employee who was sexually harassed by a fellow worker. The victim was sleeping in a hotel room provided by the employer, when she woke to find the hotel’s night caretaker naked in her room making unwanted sexual advances.

Neither employee was working at the time of the incident, but the tribunal found there was a sufficient nexus between the conduct of the caretaker and his employment for the hotel to be found vicariously liable for his actions. Importantly, the hotel had also neglected to take many steps which may have prevented the sexual harassment, including implementing a policy prohibiting discrimination and harassment, and training its workers in that policy. All of this is frustrating to employers – many would argue they can’t reasonably be expected to control their employees’ actions when they are not even present at work – but there are also indications of a common sense approach being taken.

In the 2016 case Mrs Linda Smyth v Northern Territory Treasury and Mr Doug Kerr an employer successfully showed it had taken all reasonable steps to prevent sexual harassment, and thereby avoided liability for its employee’s actions. In this case the complainant argued that a male employee had sexually harassed her at work by touching her inappropriately and sending her offensive e-mails. She alleged that the treasury was vicariously liable for this harassment, as the perpetrator had harassed her at work.

The NT Anti-Discrimination Commission found, however, that the Treasury had taken “all reasonable steps” to prevent the harassment. They had done this by:

  • Having a policy on harassment in the workplace (albeit not a policy that specifically defined sexual harassment).
  • Training employees in the policy.
  • Meeting with the victim and offering support.
  • Giving specific training to the perpetrator in the requirements of the policy, after a complaint was raised by the victim.
  • Monitoring the perpetrator in the workplace and moving him to a different desk.
  • Conducting a mediation.

The Commission noted that Treasury had taken these steps even though the victim insisted she would deal with the matter herself and did not want to make a complaint. They were therefore not vicariously liable for the perpetrator’s actions.

Employers cannot afford to be complacent about sexual harassment. The good news is that being prepared can pay off. Implementing an appropriate policy and taking prompt action to address any issues will be crucial in defending an organisation from liability.

 

  • Elizabeth Ticehurst is Special Counsel – Employment at KPMG

 

 

In Harmony’s Way

Conflict between co-workers needs to be handled delicately and resolved before it brings a business to its knees.

By Fiona Smith

 

Who would think a “good deed for the day” of washing and putting away a colleague’s coffee mug could bring an office to a standstill? But it did. People took sides, stopped talking to each other, work suffered, an official complaint was made and a mediator was brought in to settle the matter.

Crazy stuff can happen in workplaces because people don’t always act rationally and misunderstandings can occur when communication is poor.

“What is normal workplace behaviour? There is no such thing as normal, outside what is legally required,” says Joydeep Hor, managing principal of law firm People + Culture Strategies.

In the case of the coffee mug, the woman who brought the complaint thought the “good deed” was an attempt to annoy her. Her colleague thought she was doing the other woman a favour that might help them get along better.

Of course, there was some history behind the conflict. The complainant tended to keep to herself and was not particularly interested in being social. The other woman, who was outgoing, read her colleague’s reticence as rudeness and hostility and responded in kind.

They had both made complaints over two years to their manager about each other’s attitude, but – and here is the key point to this story – the manager decided this was too petty to act upon. Instead, the manager told each woman that the other would be spoken to, but it never happened. The manager just hoped it would blow over.

The mediator, Catherine Gillespie, says each worker was under the impression the other was ignoring an instruction to change her behaviour.

“The managers couldn’t believe they were complaining over [the coffee mug], but it was because management had ignored all the complaints over two years and hadn’t resolved the actual underlying issues,” says Gillespie, managing director of Workplace Harmony & Conflict Resolution.

Gillespie took all the parties for one-on-one meetings to find out what happened and then asked them to look at it from different perspectives. She then inquired what solutions they wanted and how they were going to work together going forward.

Once the role of the manager’s inaction was clearly understood, the women could shift some of the blame onto their boss, opening the way for better communication with each other.

“They both had the same intention: they wanted a good workplace,” says Gillespie.

In most mediations, Gillespie says she discovers a third person who could have resolved things. “But, because they didn’t, the situation has escalated”.

People don’t speak up because they fear the reaction when they ask someone why they don’t greet them when they pass in the hallway or why they seem to delay responding to their emails.

Speaking of emails, these missives are fuel to the bonfire of bad workplace relationships because the tone of written communications can be easily misconstrued.

“It is because they are overlaying all of their past history and assumptions onto that email that they read it in different ways,” Gillespie says.

“Then, when they don’t talk to each other, they start talking to their colleagues about how horrible the other person is.” Communication between the two people becomes difficult, team meetings are awkward and cliques and divisions form in the workplace.

“The productivity of the whole team is now affected because people feel like they have to take sides,” Gillespie continues.

Gillespie says most situations can be resolved: “They actually do want to have a voice and be able to resolve things. They don’t like being in that uncomfortable state.

“We need to have those difficult conversations – and people want to have them.”

Surveys of executives have shown 85 per cent of them had issues they were afraid to raise at work, according to Margaret Heffernan, a former CEO and author of Wilful Blindness: Why We Ignore the Obvious at our Peril.

“[They are] afraid of the conflict that would provoke, afraid to get embroiled in arguments they did not know how to manage and felt they were bound to lose,” she told an audience at a TED Talk in 2012.

This means that leaders, who go out of their way to recruit the best people, fail to get the best out of those people, she said.

Margaret Heffernan delivers her ‘Dare to Disagree’ talk at TEDglobal in 2012.

Joydeep Hor says his firm is increasingly asked to audit the culture of client organisations and mediate when there is conflict. There is often a systemic problem that can be identified behind the conflict and, unless it is analysed, then trouble is likely to reoccur.

“You will be back in the same spot, maybe not with the same people, but very quickly,” he says.

Hor says disputes usually involve people who are reasonably well-regarded by their employer: “But, for whatever reason, some level of conflict has developed in the relationship – whether it’s a personality conflict, ways of working conflict, or a disagreement about operational matters.” This has a flow-on effect to other people.

“The organisation doesn’t see it necessarily as a legal matter, but they see it as a very core productivity and cultural matter,” Hor says.

If organisations want to protect themselves from conflict, they should start by having clear expectations about the kind of communication, respect and behaviour that is accepted, he says.

A sure sign of conflict is a rise in stress leave and complaints, says dispute resolution specialist Shirli Kirschner.

“We are primed to fight, flight or freeze when we feel unsafe and that is why conflict is so unhealthy for humans because, the minute we feel unsafe, we are running huge amounts of adrenaline and negative headspace,” says Kirschner, who is the principal of Resolve Advisors.

Kirschner says a common scenario is when a new person comes into a workplace and tries to change bad behaviour that has previously been tolerated.

That misbehaving person may have been protected because they were regarded as a high performer in other ways, because they had a close relationship with a client or were a favourite of the CEO.

“The new person coming in is operating by a new set of rules and that creates huge problems. The person exhibiting the behaviour may have been doing it for 10 or 20 years and they are completely befuddled about why it is suddenly not OK,” she says.

Conflict also arises when a valuable employee has a “messianic complex” and believes they are the only one who can keep the system running.

If an area becomes understaffed, these people will quietly take on all the extra work and not complain.

“And then, at a point, they snap. They then often feel angry and undervalued. Because of their own huge competence and silence, they are not under-appreciated, but no-one has any visibility about what they have done,” Kirschner says.

“The day they start feeling undervalued, the world starts falling apart on both sides. The organisation can’t understand what is going on and the person can’t understand how they can possibly be under-valued when they have given their heart and soul and hundreds of hours.”

Other common flashpoints are promotion from within, difficult personalities, poor communication or co-ordination (perhaps leaving people out of an information loop), or issues to do with the business that put people under intense pressure, such as downsizing or relocation.

Kirschner says dealing with conflict should start with an assessment. Going straight into an investigation can sometimes make things worse by unearthing bad behaviour on both sides.

She suggests taking each person for a confidential coffee meeting, where they can be asked what result they would like to see out of the situation.

Then a recommendation should be made for mediation, perhaps with an expert mediator, an investigation, complex coaching, or something else.

With any luck, that “something else” may involve something simple like an acknowledgement of the complaint, an agreement that things will change and a determination to “move on”.

Game of Moans

How to get your team to air their grievances and equip them with tools to independently problem-solve

 

By Candice Chung

 

One of the simplest ways to gauge the health of a relationship is by measuring the lag time between identifying a problem and bringing it into the open. In fact, social scientist Joseph Grenny argues the same litmus test can be used to reveal the effectiveness of any team or organisation.

“You can predict with nearly 90 percent accuracy which projects will fail — months or years in advance,” writes Grenny in his book Crucial Conversations. In most cases, the predictor of success or failure is a team’s ability to hold difficult conversations. “For example, could they speak up if they thought the scope and schedule [of a project] was unrealistic? Or do they go silent when [a team member] begins slacking off?”

Good leaders recognise the importance of getting their team to speak up. The reality, however, is that most workers tend to do the opposite — bottling up mid-range, mid-temperature niggles since it often feels like an easier way out.

“The two main reasons employees are wary of airing grievances are ‘I don’t want to get in trouble’ or ‘I don’t want to make trouble,’” says James Carlopio, organisation psychologist and Adjunct Professor of Business at Bond University. This is because opening up about certain grievances tend to involve elements of social or political risk.

Marcus Crow, co-founder of uncertainty management firm 10,000 Hours, calls these everyday gripes ‘the undiscussables’ — they are typically related to personality clashes or battles over resource allocation. In other words, things that involve potential losses for one or more of the parties involved.

“These are things we don’t talk about, but we should. And it’s hard to do because you’re going to risk saying something that could exclude you from the mainstream way of thinking in the organisation,” says Crow.

While there is no overnight solution to get staff to open up— since it takes time to cultivate genuine rapport and trust — the good news, says Crow, is that a team’s communication fitness can be built up over time.

To start, try asking for regular feedback in low-stakes situations. “For instance, at the end of every group meeting, check in and ask, “How did we just do?” and invite some brief commentary from the group — so the group gets a chance to reflect on its work,” says Crow.

Marcus Crow, co-founder of 10,000 Hours

A helpful thing to remember is that when employees have critical feedback, it’s usually a sign that they care, says Zivit Inbar, Director of people and performance consultancy group, Different Thinking. It’s therefore important for managers to reward candour by fostering an open culture and taking negative feedback seriously.

“Culture is all about managers modelling behaviours in a consistent way. To build a culture of honesty and openness means that the managers themselves must be honest, open, accept different opinions…admit their own mistakes and foster learning from errors,” says Inbar.

Once employees feel they can safely air their grievances, the next goal is to set up a framework for the team to independently problem-solve.

“The [short term] focus is to solve the immediate problem so that it does not impact on work productivity. After that, it’s important to show employees exactly how [an issue is] fixed and highlight important information along the way,” says Carlopio.

In the end, Crow believes most teams already possess what’s necessary for successful conflict resolution — what doesn’t happen is the practice.

“There’s no magical call to arms from leaders that will leave the team feeling empowered,” says Crow, “Rather, it’s by experiencing the leader making time, or the practice of sitting together and reflecting on hard-to-tackle issues that you’ll build up your proficiency to work together and problem-solve.”

 

Three Points of View

 

Should investors have a say on what CEOs are paid?

The premise: Those companies which adopt a ‘say on pay approach’ are better led, perform well and have lower costs, so says research from business school INSEAD.

 

Maria Guadalupe
Associate Professor Economics and Political Science, INSEAD

We found that a say on pay does indeed pay off across multiple dimensions (in a paper published in the Review of Finance, ‘Say Pays! Shareholder Voice and Firm Performance’).

Our analysis, which covers 250 cases of proposals to adopt the say-on-pay policy between 2006 and 2010 – before shareholder votes on pay were mandatory in the US – shows that if the policy was adopted, say on pay increased shareholder value by about five per cent. We also show evidence that say on pay has a positive impact on firms’ accounting and operational performance in the years following the vote.

By giving shareholders a channel to express their opinions, it intensifies board monitoring and pressure on the CEO to improve performance. It can also affect the current level and structure of executive pay, making it more closely tied with performance.

 

 

Graeme Bottrill
National president Australian Investors Association

Shareholders have a wide range of investing, corporate and management skills, but I expect that the typical investor most likely has a minimum of these skills.

Since these ‘average’ shareholders have little ability to determine an appropriate remuneration package for a CEO, it’s difficult to imagine a mechanism where shareholders could have a credible input into such matters.

Having said that, it is certainly appropriate to call out the extremes. This is not some formal arrangement for ‘having a say’, but the investing community can certainly recognise an excess when presented with one, and may be active and vocal at annual meetings and the like.

My view therefore is that shareholders should not be given any formal arrangement to control CEO remuneration, but they may have a voice through the annual meeting process.

 

 

Martin Lawrence
Research director Ownership Matters

I think they should have an influence but not the final say. In a large listed company, you have to strike a balance between allowing shareholders to have their views heard and them actually having a final say.

The areas where I think shareholders should have an absolute say is around the allocation of their equity to executives. As a shareholder, you have a fundamental right to a share in the company. We used to have quite good rules in Australia for dealing with insiders’ capacity to get their hands on shares without paying the market price.

Those rules have basically been gutted over the last 10 to 15 years. Now you see the curious thing of large listed companies spending tens of millions of dollars of their shareholders’ money to buy shares for their executives without shareholders having any binding say on it at all.

 

 

Defusing A Time Bomb

 

It takes more than a spot of maturity to manage workplace conflict, writes JANE CARO

 

You need to be a grown-up before you can effectively and calmly manage conflict. By that I don’t mean you have to have reached chronological maturity. I mean you have to be able to control your own emotions and behave in an adult fashion. One of the reasons businesses (and families, parliaments, schools, clubs, sporting teams, etc) have trouble managing conflict is because few people have fully grown up.

Far too many people in positions of power take conflict personally. I think the essence of being a grown-up is knowing where you stop and other people start. Not everything is about you. I remember taking a conflict-based problem to the HR manager of a company where  I once worked, only to be greeted by a response best summed up as “you think you’ve got problems? Wait until you hear about my problems!”

As you can imagine, this was not helpful. Worse, I got the clear message that next time  I had a problem I should keep it to myself. I did and, of course, eventually I left.

Conflict is an inevitable part of life and relationships, including at work. People who work closely together, particularly if the demands are stressful, will have grievances and aggravate each other from time to time. Small irritations are probably best left to those involved to work out but if the problems become chronic then intervention is required, and quickly.

Obviously it is important to have clear policies on dealing with conflict. It is important the lines of communication are open and non-judgmental (this is crucial). If you are a manager and an employee comes to you with a workplace conflict, it is understandable that your heart might sink, but it is also vital you keep that response to yourself.

Remind yourself that an employee will only risk telling you about this stuff if they trust you and if the conflict has gone beyond a joke. Knowing the real emotional temperature of the workplace you manage is much more of an opportunity than a problem, so look at it that way.

Good, confident (aka grown-up) managers want to know about conflicts before they escalate into full-scale warfare and blow up in your face, so encourage people to come to
you early. Managers who subtly (or not so subtly) indicate they don’t want to know are just storing up big trouble for the future. Managing conflict requires you to be calm, scrupulously fair and open-minded.

Listen to both sides of the story. Try to get those involved to listen to each other. If you can’t manage that, there are professional mediators who are skilled in trying to open communication when it has broken down (that is what most conflict is about). When you decide what you will do, you need to explain not just your actions but also the reasons behind them clearly and calmly.

Make sure you have been fully understood. Allow those affected to express how they feel, even if it is negative. You can listen – you can be compassionate – without changing your decision. Try not to apportion or accept blame. Blame is never helpful and can only escalate tensions. Who is to blame is not the issue, what can be done so that everyone can continue working effectively together is the goal. Don’t seek the sympathy of those you are disciplining – this is not about you, it is about your staff.

If you have a difficult staff member, try to remember that however toxic their behaviour, they are human, too. Don’t bully the bullies. If you have to remove someone from their job, do it as kindly and compassionately as you can. If you suspect they are struggling with emotional or mental health issues try to get them the appropriate help. However they behave, you must remain calm. You are then modeling the right way to behave to the rest of your staff. Do not get hooked into their emotional state.

Dealing with conflict is hard and requires self-control and maturity. That’s why – in high-performing workplaces – often senior managers and HR personnel are responsible for conflict resolution as their experience better equips them for the task. The more open, straightforward and fair-minded your management style, the less problems you will have with workplace conflict. To be honest, toxic workplaces are usually created from the top.

 

Jane Caro runs her own communications consultancy. She worked in the advertising industry for 30 years and is now an author, journalist, lecturer and media commentator.

 

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Take Two – Second Sight

Dr Christopher Clarke FIML, manager of corporate safety at Melbourne Water, was inspired to push his career envelope by mentor Ron Skaff FIML, an organisational change practitioner and director at Forma & Associates. They began meeting in Melbourne last year.

 

Why did you join IML’s mentor program?

Christopher Clarke (pictured right): I joined for the opportunity to tap into the knowledge of someone who sits within a senior leadership team and to learn from their experience. Also, I wanted to discuss my long-term goals and how I could reach them. I wanted to have trusted and personal conversations and expand my range of contacts and look at innovative ways of career development.

Ron Skaff (left): I actually saw a tweet the other day where some millennial was saying that mentoring is dead. I didn’t respond but I wanted to. I have been mentoring for a good portion of my adult life. I was coaching CEOs when I first came to Australia [from the US] and I’ve been a Member of IML since 1994. In the last couple of years, I realised that with all my commercial acumen I should be giving back to IML because of all the relationships it has opened up to me.

 

What did you learn from each other?

CC: Within the first five minutes of speaking to Ron, I knew he was the right fit for me. It didn’t take me long to see Ron has a brilliant strategic mind. His was a great mind to tap into. Although we were talking about career development, we’d also dive into life in general.

RS: You need to separate the person from the career. Chris has a strong family values anchor and I believe my family values play the same important role for me. He would tell me the things he was doing with his family and how that made him feel in terms of his personal life and career, and that was helpful for me because my family was following some similar paths. It helped me see where my focus should be, which was with my family.

 

What is the value of a mentoring relationship?

CC: Without the mentoring program I may not have been able to meet someone like Ron. He definitely inspired me to push the envelope in my chosen career field.

RS: Part of my role as a mentor is to develop a roadmap with my mentee about their career. Chris had just finished his PhD in safety and was looking at transformational leadership. I enjoy the personal satisfaction of knowing I played a role in the growth of a protégé.

 

What did you get out of the IML Mentor program?

CC: We workshopped various professional development tools. We did a career SWOT and also looked at my strengths in my personal life, which I hadn’t done before. We were able to correlate the two and I got some great insights. Ron also sent me some reading material to discuss when we caught up.

RS: Sharing my motivation and seeing the motivation of others is enjoyable. Mentoring allows you to see unique perspectives and a diversity of thought.

 

Would you recommend it to others?

CC: If you want to work closely with someone to improve your career and personal progression, absolutely.

RS: Anyone who believes they’d like to mentor should do so. The experience delivers a deeper learning outcome, different than using the internet or reading a book to understand new leadership approaches.